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Tuesday
Nov142006

The Sleepover Manifesto

When I posted last Thursday about 9-year-old E-Grrrl spending the night at a friend’s house, I mentioned that this outing was an exception to our “no sleepover” rule. A number of people commented on the rule, and Mignon asked about its origins.

Here are the reasons we’ve always had a “no sleepover” rule.

First, here at Chez V, we believe in the value of sleep for good health. In this regard, we’re in the minority since Americans are renowned for depriving themselves and their kids of rest in order to cram more TV, activities, games, social engagements, and work into each day.

E and I shoot for the recommended 7-8 hours a night for ourselves and 10 hours a night for the kiddos. We wouldn’t deprive the kids of food, why deprive them of sleep? Since very few parents share this value with us, we don’t normally allow the kids to do sleepovers.

Second, there is the safety issue, which is the hardest one to explain to kids and navigate as an adult. I worked with youth in my 20s and 30s and had to attend mandatory training on preventing and recognizing sexual abuse and molestation. I also worked as a reporter for a few years and learned more than I wanted to know about pedophilia and sexual abuse.

Kids are seldom abused by strangers but by people they know and trust: friends of the family, babysitters, neighbors, family members, teachers, coaches, ministers, youth workers, etc. It’s relatively easy to teach your child to beware of strangers. It's  much harder to teach them to respect authority figures while letting them know it's OK  to set boundaries with adults and challenge anyone who makes them uncomfortable or hurts them.

You don’t want to fill their heads with distrust for the very people that love and care for them in a variety of settings, but you also have to let them know subtly that “good” adults can do bad things and no one, absolutely no one, is allowed to hurt them or teach them to keep “secrets.” A lot of molestation is tied to overnight stays and the access it gives people to children, so we’re cautious about any kind of sleepover.

There are other sticky issues related to playdates or sleepovers at the homes of people you don’t know very well. What’s playing on the TV? Are people smoking in the house? Do the parents get along or do they bicker and fight constantly? Who has access to the kids? Is anyone monitoring what they’re doing on the Internet? Does the dad have porn magazines in the bathroom or sex tapes in the family room? Is anyone drinking or using drugs? (Go ahead and laugh, but unless you’ve spent time in someone else’s home, you really don’t know what they consider OK and what the environment is like. Sometimes I've been surprised by the lifestyles of white-bread suburban folks.)

While we know we can’t (and shouldn't) shelter our kids from every questionable influence, we do try to make sure they’re mature enough to handle what they might encounter away from home. For example, my kids are very easily freaked out by things they see on TV. Stories reported on CNN will make my daughter teary and sleepless; my son hates the action movies other boys his age love. He’s probably the only 11-year-old in his circle who hasn’t seen a Star Wars movie or anything from Lord of the Rings. He doesn’t even like to watch Scooby Doo! It can be really hard to “escape” the TV in other people's homes, and I’m still working on teaching my kids how to politely deal with situations where they're expected to watch something they don't feel comfortable with.

Of course, at this point you’re thinking I’m completely neurotic and overprotective, and maybe I am. There are a lot of people I’d feel comfortable having my children spend the night with, but we don’t allow it because it’s far easier to just have a “no sleepover” policy than to justify your decision-making process with your kids on a case-by-case basis. Who wants to hear, “Why can’t I spend the night at Susie’s house—she’s my friend, just like Molly, and you let me spend the night at Molly’s house!” Of course, you have your reasons, but it’s not always easy or appropriate to share them with the kids.

Finally, I’m a firm believer that spending half a day together is more than enough time for both the parents and the kids. I’m not comfortable always having other people’s kids in my house, and we try to preserve some family time. I’m not one of those “the-more-the-merrier” types--I need my space.

So there you go—the great sleepover manifesto.

How do the rest of you handle sleepovers?

November 14, 2006

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Well, it's not an "issue" in my household, since there are no children underfoot, but I certainly understand now why you would have established that rule. Sounds like a sensible plan, and you're right: there are a lot more potential evil influences out there than when I used to go to sleepovers. Back then we called them Pajama Parties, and girls got together to giggle and tease each other about which boys they liked, and which boys were gross. No internet. We didn't watch T.V. either unless there happened to be a good movie on, since there were no VCRs or even cable T.V. Probably the most outrageous thing we did was make prank phone calls on a landline (no cell phones, either!). Sheesh. Suddenly I feel very old. :-)))
November 14, 2006 | Unregistered CommenterOrtizzle
I have only one daughter who, before she was 12, suffered from very acute separation anxiety. Sleepovers were not even on her radar, because she would never have wanted to be away from our house overnight. This changed after I separated from my husband and we moved to a new town. Her personality blossomed, and then she went to a lot of sleepovers. I was always pretty relaxed about the whole deal, frankly, until I read your post, I had never really thought about all the dark implications of letting one's child going on a sleepover. Then again, I am the one who let my daughter, not quite 20 then, to go on a one month European trip on her own last spring (she did very well, had a great time, and nothing nasty happened to her.)

I fully understand your concerns and you policy on sleepovers, though. Friends that your kids have are very important. My daughter had a nasty little friend from about the age of 4 to 10 - at which point she had a huge fallout with that kid, and that was for the best, I think. That kid lived in a very problematic household, and the older she got, the worse she was for it. For about one year when she was a freshman in high school, she befriended a girl who was one year older than her and of whom I was always very suspicious. That friendship fell apart when my daughter realized how devious that girl was. I think that it is very tough to control with whom your kids hang out. Frankly, I feel lucky that my daughter never fell under the influence of really bad peers.
November 14, 2006 | Unregistered CommenterElisabeth
V - Miss M was invited to a sleepover party Saturday night and I said no. She and I went back and forth and it was very hard saying to her that she would understand more when she was older. The girl whose party she was invited to, is a newer friend. I don't know much about the family and what I do know is enough to make me say no.

I don't have any problem with other kids staying over the night here, but there are very few friends I will allow my kids to stay with.


November 14, 2006 | Unregistered CommenterChar
I agree with you on all counts, and in addition (in the U.Sat least) there is the gun issue. I was appalled to find out after the fact that one of my children had spent the night where there was an unsecured gun.
November 14, 2006 | Unregistered Commenterplain jane
You are totally right all together. I agree. And it is all just now becoming an issue I have had to deal with, and I'm not sure I know how to do it without seeming rude. People don't understand, I have found. But after years in children's services, I just think it is better safe than sorry! People are freaks!! An dthen what was said about the gun issue-- I never even thought of that! And my little brother was over at a kids house when he was young, and they wanted to play with the dads gun, and my brother left because he didn't want to get in trouble...And sure enough one of the kids shot and killed the other, before my brother could even get home to tell about the gun! It was horrible.

How do you explain to other parents about your rules, without sounding nutty? I need advice! I have told Wyatt that it is our job to always keep him safe and take care of him, and until I really, really know people, and am super sure he would be safe, we don't do sleep overs or playdates with out me or daddy... he seems to understand that, but the other moms and kids don't! I don't know how to say it right.

:)
November 15, 2006 | Unregistered Commenteramber
I so agree with everything you said - heck, I have a hard time dropping them off for play dates with people I don't know well. I had never thought of the gun issue until several years ago when a good friend from church - someone I had babysat for, who had kids the same ages as mine and we got together for playdates - mentioned that her husband had a gun in the house. That made me realize that even though you might have lots in common with someone they don't share all your values. I also pay attention to what my kids watch (we only have videos and dvds here, no cable) - but I found out my son had watched something at a friends house during a playdate because the big brother was watching it.
November 15, 2006 | Unregistered CommenterLynn
Ah, yes, and then there is the gun thing. I worry a lot about that where we live. Luckily we live on a street where we are the only house with kids, and we have afterschool activities most days. I am always welcoming children here to play and find that often times my kids would rather have their friends come here than to go there. It helps me get to know the friends my kids have.
November 15, 2006 | Unregistered CommenterChar
Amber,

I'm not sure I succeed in explaining it without sounding nutty. ; )

I just tell them we don't do sleepovers, that I like to have all my chicks in the nest at night. Most people I've met are fine with that, but maybe they roll their eyes at me behind my back!
November 15, 2006 | Unregistered CommenterV-Grrrl
Let the eyes roll... Eyes rolled at me many a time, but now that my chicks are out of the nest I have more perspective and I would have been more careful, not less.
November 15, 2006 | Unregistered Commenterplain jane
My kids do spend the night with others...but not all that often.Theoretically, my two oldest are beyond that stage, but the middle son's friends (and he's 16) still--on occasion--do invite him over. Sometimes we have someone here. The oldest boy's friends don't really do that much. Youngest kid is only 12. He has two or three boys with whom he does the sleepover thing and they come here. We know the parents very well and socialize with them, so we feel good about it. With the youngest, we are very careful to space the events so that sleep deprivation doesn't cause a meltdown.
November 15, 2006 | Unregistered Commenterwordgirl
While I was growing up in the US, my parents would just say no every time an invitation for a sleepover was begged, pleaded, announced by me. I thought they were just being overprotective Greek immigrants who didn't want me to have any fun.

Later when I became a parent I have let out a big sigh of relief that the issue of sleep overs never became an issue, because, thankfully, "pyjama parties" are not very big in Greece.

I agree 100% with V-grrrl's concerns and her family's no-sleepover policy. Is there a "Good parenting" magazine or blog out there? I propose you send this in. Great advice for parents.
November 15, 2006 | Unregistered CommenterFlubberwinkle
I had never thought about it before, but everything you said here makes perfect sense if you don't know the other parents. I'd be wont to make exceptions in situations where I knew both parents well though.
November 15, 2006 | Unregistered CommenterTB
I've been thinking about this since you wrote it, coming up with a ton "but what about..."s. And even though there are several instances in our life that I will allow sleepovers (Madeleine and Quinn have lots and lots of cousins their age), I really do agree with your reasoning and your approach. I appreciate this thoughtful and will-written post, as well, because otherwise I don't know how I could explain to myself my discomfort at the idea of Madeleine being away from our home overnight.
November 16, 2006 | Unregistered CommenterMignon
I disagree with most of you.

The D-man(my son) has slept many times out of the proverbial nest. He's camped out with his Scout troop(for a while without me) and bunked on the floor in a sleeping bag at several friend's homes.

We belonged to dinner club/group. One member's home was ground zero for all of our friends to bring their kids. They had four boys, D and two other munchkins made it eight boys and two small girls were in the group too.

The baby-sitter and her two other girlfriends made a financial killing. I still see "Britney" once in a while,now a young woman. She works at a dry-cleaner while going to grad school and she drives a better car than I do. She says she misses the dinner club baby-sitting gig. Wonder why.

She and her girlfriends would get them all asleep by 10:00 PM, sleeping in their bags in their Ninja Turtle PJ's. When our dinner party broke up, sometimes at midnight, it made no sense to wake them up and toss them in the car. They spent the night and we retrieved them in the morning.

The D-man had a good time and he learned about other families. Yes he learned about Frosted Flakes, a food not eaten in our house, but he gained a good understanding of how others live. He also enjoyed the time with his buddies. They are still friends though they live at different ends of the state.

I remember feeling anxious when my son did many of his several "firsts". Still do. I felt awful dropping him off at day care. When he began riding his bike w/ and without training wheels I remember the anxiety of watching how confidently he would ride way ahead of us finding every mud puddle and veering off the path to try riding "off road".

I remember taking him to school and wondering how he was progressing. I've left him at Scout camp. Worse after tearing my Achilles I was not able to hike a planned 50 mile hike. He went anyway.

Wait to you get to the point when they drive. Watching your son drive off to school and football practice in a large SUV will really warm your cockles.

I think practicing independence responsibly is a virtue in children you need to nourish. Children are very resilent. After a "sleep-over" or a Scout camp-out the boy would often take an afternoon nap on Sunday. He would be fine.
November 16, 2006 | Unregistered CommenterMichael
I wholeheartedly concur with your position on sleepovers, V, and congratulate you for your convictions!
November 23, 2006 | Unregistered CommenterEllie C

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